Return On Equity - ROE

  

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Well, when you go to a fancy sushi bar, those little orange eggs cost a small fortune. They come from libertarian salmon and taste just like salt licked from your grandmother’s purse. So that’s ROE. But it has nothing to do with that kind of ROE, or Return on Equity.

So very simply, any time you see a ratio that’s Return on anything, it means profits in the numerator sitting on something in the denominator. Like...return on sales is a company’s profit margin. Right? You have profits divided by sales, and that’s a pretty easy calculation to make if you have the data.

Return on Equity is a bit different, in that finding what you mean by equity is sometimes a bit of a moving target, or a religious discussion in the way the equity line on the balance sheet was, in fact, calculated. In essence, the equity of a company is what it owns. It’s the equity value of the firm. Like...the cash profits it has generated over time, or the cash it has received from investors, plus fair value of its patents and brands and distribution infrastructure, and 18 zillion other elements that add together to comprise whatever number is placed as the equity of the firm. So then the ROE for your lemonade stand, with 12 grand in profits, and equity of 36 grand, is ⅓, or 33%.

Is that good? Bad? Ugly? Well, in a vacuum, we don’t really know. Because each industry commands such different kinds of numbers when it comes to the efficient use of its equity. A lemonade stand needs relatively very little capital to get started. It should have very high returns from its equity, because its profit margins should be very high when it’s selling for a dollar-something that costs it a dime.

You can think of the 33% return as being something that might map to investing in a stock market reflective index fund. And yes, 33% a year return from any kind of stock market investment over time is a heroic score. The problem? The return number is likely highly volatile in a company with such massive return on equity. That is, yes, this year your little lemonade stand made 12 grand, but next year it might lose 5. The following year it might make 20, and the following year, go bankrupt. So the ROE number for a company so fragile, like Lemonade Stands R Us, is on the edge of meaningless.

Compare the ROE for a large oil company. Oil is massively less volatile as an industry than your lemonade stand. And 20 billion dollars just buys you a well, some storage tanks, a little distribution infrastructure, and hopefully a decent line to getting your money back. So if you measured the return on equity of a given oil company over a 10-year cycle, you might find that its return is only 4.5%. That equity could have been deployed almost certainly in the investing community...and done much better than what the managers of the oil company did in putting all that money in the ground through wells and exploration and refining, and so on. So, as an unschooled investor, you might begin to be leaning on management to take their cash and do something else with it.

Then, one day, a bomb goes off in the Middle East. A big one. Oil prices go from 50 bucks a barrel to 100, and for the following decade, the ROE of the oil company looks a lot more like the 33% from the lemonade company, and the investor who pushed Shell to fund a Google competitor goes back to work at Bank of America, trading four fives for a twenty, and pushing customers to refi their mortgage.

The bottom line is that ROE is a moving target at best, and only exists in the vague nether land of time, in that, contextually, it only means something when mapped against a whole host of other things players could do with their money. So if your company’s trying to stay above water, and you start smelling something fishy, it, uh, might just be the ROE.

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Finance a la shmoop What is r o e or

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a return on equity when you go to a fancy

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sushi bar while those little orange eggs cost a small

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fortune they come from libertarian salmon and tastes like assault

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licked from your grandmother's purse So that's row but well

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has nothing to do with this kind of row or

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return on equity Different thing Alright so very simply Anytime

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you see a ratio that's return on anything It means

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profits in the numerator Sitting on something in the denominator

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like return on sales is a company's profit margin right

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You have profits divided by sales and well that's Pretty

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easy calculation to make if you have the data so

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return on equity Well that's a little bit different in

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that finding What you mean by equity is sometimes a

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bit of a moving target or a religious discussion in

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the way the equity line on the balance sheet was

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in fact calculated In essence the equity value of a

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company is what it owns over time Like it accumulates

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equity profits in the brand equity and patents and a

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whole bunch of other crap And it owns all that

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Got it it's The equity value of the firm like

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the cash profits is generated over a long period of

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time with the cash it's received from investors plus fair

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value of all the patents and brands and distribution infrastructure

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and eighteen zillion other elements that all add up together

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when you subtract liabilities from assets to get that either

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that's the yeah they all come together to comprise whatever

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number is placed as the equity of the firm So

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if you go back to our friendly little lemonade stand

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with twelve grand in profits or returns and equity of

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thirty six grand then it's row is yes one third

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or thirty three percent Well is that good Bad ugly

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Well in a vacuum we don't really know Because each

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industry command such different kinds of numbers when it comes

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to the efficient use of its equity a lemonade stand

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needs well relatively very little capital expenditure to get started

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It should have very high returns from its equity because

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its profit margin should be very high When it's selling

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for a dollar something that costs a dime you can

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think of that thirty three percent return on equity as

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being something that might map to investing in a stock

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market reflective index fund and yes thirty three percent a

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year return from any kind of stock market investment Overtime

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is heroic The problem While the return number is likely

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highly volatile in a company with such massive return on

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equity that is yes So this year our little lemonade

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stand made twelve grand But next year it might lose

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five the following year make twenty and then the following

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year well goes bankrupt So the r o e number

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for a company is so fragile what's on the edge

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of meaningless really compare the row for a large oil

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company Well oil is massively less volatile as an industry

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That is our little lemonade stand and oils One of

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the more volatile industries just light A match there happened

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and twenty billion dollars well just buys you a well

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some storage tanks a little distribution infrastructure and hopefully a

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decent line Teo getting your money back eventually So if

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you measure the return on equity of a big oil

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company over a ten year cycle well you might find

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that return is only four and a half percent Well

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That equity could have been deployed almost certainly in the

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investing community like an index finding factor whatever and done

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much better than what the managers of the oil company

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did in putting all that money in the ground through

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wells and exploration and refining and so on So is

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an unschooled investor You might begin to be leaning on

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management to take their cash and do something else with

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it Like how about investing it in an internet search

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company Yeah we need another one of those You know

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those google people had really high r o e let's

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do more of that And then one day a bomb

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goes off in the middle east Big one Oil prices

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go from fifty bucks a barrel to one hundred And

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for the following decade the r o e of the

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oil company looks a lot more like that Thirty three

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percent fromthe lemonade company And the investor who pushed shell

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to fund a google competitors goes back to work making

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fives and tens and change at bank of america and

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pushing customers to you know refinance their more Well the

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bottom line is that are we is a moving target

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At best and only exists in the vague never land

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of time And that contextually It only means something when

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mapped against the whole host of other things that players

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could do with their money So if you're companies trying

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